This is an informal and approximate survey result for the potential community need of a proposed Cd-Rom which will contain current working modules of global ocean tide models. Approximately 40 responses were received, mostly of these responses (in the form of emails) are attached here. These emails do not include some of the positive response via phone and some which were accidentally deleted. C. Shum, P. Woodworth and C. LeProvost From: SMTP%"SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu" 24-AUG-1995 12:44:00.15 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:43:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "C.K. Shum" To: dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov, topex.poseidon@pacific.jpl.nasa.gov, shum@csr.utexas.edu, dblake@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov Message-Id: <950824124342.20200a43@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu> Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models Colleague: This email is intended to be a survey for the purpose of polling the scientific community (in oceanography and geophysics) of your interest of a proposed Cd-Rom distribution of recent global ocean tide models. One of the recent significant contributions of TOPEX/Poseidon is the advancement of global deep-ocean tide models. The TOPEX/Poseidon Tides Committee (Chair, Phil Woodworth) has conducted studies comparing some of the recently available ocean tide models, and a number of these models can be considered to the current state-of-the-art. These models include pure hydrodynamical models, assimilated hydrodynamical models, and empirical models. There are significant interdisciplinary contributions of accurate ocean tide model to studies in areas of oceanography, geodesy, geodynamics, astronomy, and research related to global climate change. While TOPEX/Poseidon successfully mapped the deep-ocean tides, interpretation of the tides and their geophysical consequences has yet to be done. Furthermore, the tides near coastal regions and on continental shelfs remain problematic. We feel that there should be interest in the scientific community to use these models to aid scientific interpretations or for their improvement. The purpose of this broadcast email is to ask you for your opinion whether a collection of the recent ocean tide models (approximately ten) and other associated data such as 3-D ocean loading models may be useful to you. These models, in some cases, were developed using different methodologies and have respective advantages for different applications. Please send us (shum@csr.utexas.edu) a note if you would like to see the distribution of these tide models happen. Regards, C.K. Shum, Christian LeProvost, and Phil Woodworth From: SMTP%"jorge@lobster.jpl.nasa.gov" 24-AUG-1995 13:02:42.70 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Re: Global ocean tide models From: "Jorge Vazquez" Message-Id: <9508241102.ZM25548@lobster.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 11:02:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: "C.K. Shum" "RE: Global ocean tide models" (Aug 24, 12:43pm) References: <950824124342.20200a43@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: "C.K. Shum" Subject: Re: Global ocean tide models Cc: jorge@lobster.jpl.nasa.gov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I would definitely be in favor of such a distribution. -Jorge From: SMTP%"jacobs@proteus.nrlssc.navy.mil" 24-AUG-1995 13:15:54.80 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:16:10 -0500 From: "Gregg A. Jacobs (X4720)" Message-Id: <199508241816.NAA10780@proteus.nrlssc.navy.mil> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models C.K. I would very much like to see the distribution of the ten tide models produced by the TOPEX/POSEIDON Science Working Team on cd-rom. We would use the models for applications such as real time correction of altimeter data and boundary conditions for local and near coastal tide models. Gregg Jacobs From: SMTP%"okkonen@glacier.nrlssc.navy.mil" 24-AUG-1995 13:17:37.17 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:17:51 -0500 From: Steve Okkonen Message-Id: <199508241817.NAA07327@glacier.nrlssc.navy.mil> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models Dear Dr. Shum, Yes, I support the distribution of tide models on cd-rom to the scientific community. Sincerely, S.Okkonen From: SMTP%"teague@wjt.nrlssc.navy.mil" 24-AUG-1995 13:18:22.06 To: SHUM CC: Subj: tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:18:31 -0500 From: Bill Teague Message-Id: <199508241818.NAA08711@wjt.nrlssc.navy.mil> To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Subject: tide models Yes, I would very much like to have these tide models easily available. From: SMTP%"carl@cuckoo.grdl.noaa.gov" 24-AUG-1995 13:20:24.57 To: SHUM CC: Subj: no subject (file transmission) From: carl@cuckoo.grdl.noaa.gov Message-Id: <199508241820.OAA28768@cuckoo.grdl.noaa.gov> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: shum@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 14:20:39 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Dear C.K. ......................(23 Aug 95) In response to your request for opinions on new T/P tide models for issue on a CD-ROM, I believe this would be extremely useful, providing there were also included enough information on each (software, README files, test examples) to allow easy access to the data files themselves. May I also suggest that when the new T/P GDR's are issued the solid tide and ocean tide be given separate fields as they used to be with Geosat. Currently I am working with Mike Kuzmic in Croatia on tides for the Adriatic and this CD-ROM would be ideal as a central source of the best current information on tide modelling. Carl Wagner From: SMTP%"stewart@astra.tamu.edu" 24-AUG-1995 13:23:47.12 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:25:34 +0000 To: "C.K. Shum" From: stewart@astra.tamu.edu (Bob Stewart) Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models C.K. I think it is important to document the Topex/Poseidon contributions in some permanent form with all the details that cannot be included in a paper. The documentation should be done now while the details are still fresh in everyone's mind. For these reasons, I recommend that a tide CD-ROM be produced. Regards, Bob Stewart --------------------------- ============ --------------------------------- Robert Stewart, Professor || Office: Room 624 O&M Building Department of Oceanography || Telephone: 409 845 2995 Texas A&M University /\ || |\/| Fax: 409 847 8879 College Station, Texas | | || | | Internet: stewart@astra.tamu.edu 77843-3146 USA |--| || | | --------------------------- | | || | | --------------------------------- From: SMTP%"ejk@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu" 24-AUG-1995 13:25:53.72 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Message-Id: <9508241826.AA09306@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:27:35 -0500 To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu From: ejk@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Eli Joel Katz) Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:43:42 -0500 (CDT) >From: "C.K. Shum" >To: dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov, topex.poseidon@pacific.jpl.nasa.gov, >shum@csr.utexas.edu, dblake@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov >Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models > >Colleague: >. Please send us (shum@csr.utexas.edu) a note >if you would like to see the distribution of these tide models happen. > >Regards, >C.K. Shum, Christian LeProvost, and Phil Woodworth > > I and other investigators at Lamont would be very interested in seeing the above distribution happen (a.s.a.p.) regards, Eli _____________________________________ Eli Joel Katz Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Columbia University P.O. Box 1000 Palisades, NY 10964-8000, USA INTERNET: ejk@ldeo.columbia.edu Tel: 914-365-8539 Fax: 914-365-8157 _____________________________________ From: SMTP%"jlabre@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov" 24-AUG-1995 13:32:03.15 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Re[2]: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 95 14:37:41 EST From: jlabre@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov Message-Id: <9507248093.AA809300261@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov> To: shum@csrv86.ae.utexas.edu Subject: Re[2]: Global ocean tide models CK-Sounds like a very good idea. Please let me know what the community thinks. john Received: by ccmail from csrv86.ae.utexas.edu From shum@csrv86.ae.utexas.edu X-Envelope-From: shum@csrv86.ae.utexas.edu Received: from [128.83.154.121] by 128.83.154.121 with SMTP; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:52:18 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:57:44 -0600 To: jlabrecque@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov From: shum@csrv86.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:43:42 -0500 (CDT) >From: "C.K. Shum" >To: dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov, topex.poseidon@pacific.jpl.nasa.gov, > shum@csr.utexas.edu, dblake@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov >Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models > >Colleague: > >This email is intended to be a survey for the purpose of polling >the scientific community (in oceanography and geophysics) of your >interest of a proposed Cd-Rom distribution of recent global >ocean tide models. One of the recent significant contributions of >TOPEX/Poseidon is the advancement of global deep-ocean tide models. > >The TOPEX/Poseidon Tides Committee (Chair, Phil Woodworth) has conducted >studies comparing some of the recently available ocean tide models, and >a number of these models can be considered to the current state-of-the-art. >These models include pure hydrodynamical models, assimilated hydrodynamical >models, and empirical models. There are significant interdisciplinary >contributions of accurate ocean tide model to studies in areas >of oceanography, geodesy, geodynamics, astronomy, and research >related to global climate change. While TOPEX/Poseidon successfully >mapped the deep-ocean tides, interpretation of the tides and their >geophysical consequences has yet to be done. Furthermore, the >tides near coastal regions and on continental shelfs remain problematic. >We feel that there should be interest in the scientific community to >use these models to aid scientific interpretations or for their improvement. > >The purpose of this broadcast email is to ask you for your >opinion whether a collection of the recent ocean tide models >(approximately ten) and other associated data such as 3-D ocean loading >models may be useful to you. These models, in some cases, were >developed using different methodologies and have respective advantages >for different applications. Please send us (shum@csr.utexas.edu) a note >if you would like to see the distribution of these tide models happen. > >Regards, >C.K. Shum, Christian LeProvost, and Phil Woodworth > From: SMTP%"mitchum@lolo.soest.hawaii.edu" 24-AUG-1995 14:45:47.95 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:46:33 -1000 From: Gary Mitchum Message-Id: <199508241946.JAA01989@lolo.soest.hawaii.edu> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models Hello C.K., I would certainly like to have a copy of a CD-ROM containing the various tide models. Hope the response is positive! Cheers, Gary From: SMTP%"kozuch@spot.Colorado.EDU" 24-AUG-1995 14:50:59.50 To: SHUM CC: Subj: ocean tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:51:12 -0600 From: KOZUCH MICHAEL J Message-Id: <199508241951.NAA22055@spot.Colorado.EDU> To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Subject: ocean tide models Content-Length: 235 Dear C.S. Shum: I welcome the distribution of the ocean tide models. I am currently working on Caribbean tide gage data and would welcome these models to help me in my interpretation. Regards, Mike Kozuch kozuch@spot.colorado.edu From: SMTP%"bdouglas@nodc.noaa.gov" 24-AUG-1995 14:55:52.41 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:56:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199508241956.PAA01967@ariel.nodc.noaa.gov> X-Sender: bdouglas@ariel.nodc.noaa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "C.K. Shum" From: bdouglas@nodc.noaa.gov (Bruce Douglas) Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models X-Mailer: Shum,...This is a very good idea. It would be great if you could also include postglacial rebound model values on the CD as well. If NODC can be of any help in preparing or producing the CD, let me know. Bruce >Colleague: > >This email is intended to be a survey for the purpose of polling >the scientific community (in oceanography and geophysics) of your >interest of a proposed Cd-Rom distribution of recent global >ocean tide models. One of the recent significant contributions of >TOPEX/Poseidon is the advancement of global deep-ocean tide models. > >The TOPEX/Poseidon Tides Committee (Chair, Phil Woodworth) has conducted >studies comparing some of the recently available ocean tide models, and >a number of these models can be considered to the current state-of-the-art. >These models include pure hydrodynamical models, assimilated hydrodynamical >models, and empirical models. There are significant interdisciplinary >contributions of accurate ocean tide model to studies in areas >of oceanography, geodesy, geodynamics, astronomy, and research >related to global climate change. While TOPEX/Poseidon successfully >mapped the deep-ocean tides, interpretation of the tides and their >geophysical consequences has yet to be done. Furthermore, the >tides near coastal regions and on continental shelfs remain problematic. >We feel that there should be interest in the scientific community to >use these models to aid scientific interpretations or for their improvement. > >The purpose of this broadcast email is to ask you for your >opinion whether a collection of the recent ocean tide models >(approximately ten) and other associated data such as 3-D ocean loading >models may be useful to you. These models, in some cases, were >developed using different methodologies and have respective advantages >for different applications. Please send us (shum@csr.utexas.edu) a note >if you would like to see the distribution of these tide models happen. > >Regards, >C.K. Shum, Christian LeProvost, and Phil Woodworth > > Bruce C. Douglas Director, NOAA National Oceanographic Data Center 1825 Connecticut Avenue, NW Room 406 Washington, DC 20235 (202) 606-4594, FAX (202) 606-4586 From: SMTP%"cdc@mpl.UCSD.EDU" 24-AUG-1995 15:36:34.05 To: SHUM CC: Subj: CD-ROM Dist. From: cdc@mpl.UCSD.EDU (Carl David Chadwell) Message-Id: <9508242036.AA15763@turbo.UCSD.EDU> Subject: CD-ROM Dist. To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 13:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 769 Dear C. K. Shum: Both the ocean tide and loading models are valuable ancillary information related to our group's (Spiess, Hildebrand, Chadwell) deep sea floor geodetic measurements. I would welcome a CD-Rom distribution. Best Regards, Dave Chadwell -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dave Chadwell University of California, San Diego Marine Physical Laboratory 0205 Scripps Institution of Oceanography Fax: 619-534-6849 9500 Gilman Drive Phe: 619-534-2663 La Jolla, CA 92093-0205 email: cchadwel@ucsd.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: SMTP%"b7n6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca" 24-AUG-1995 15:57:43.13 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Re: Global ocean tide models From: b7n6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:57:53 -0300 Message-Id: <199508242057.RAA11351@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Global ocean tide models Cc: lang@unb.ca, b7n6@unb.ca, w43y@unb.ca > geophysical consequences has yet to be done. Furthermore, the > tides near coastal regions and on continental shelfs remain problematic. > We feel that there should be interest in the scientific community to > use these models to aid scientific interpretations or for their improvement. > > The purpose of this broadcast email is to ask you for your > opinion whether a collection of the recent ocean tide models > (approximately ten) and other associated data such as 3-D ocean loading > models may be useful to you. These models, in some cases, were > developed using different methodologies and have respective advantages > for different applications. Please send us (shum@csr.utexas.edu) a note > if you would like to see the distribution of these tide models happen. > > Regards, > C.K. Shum, Christian LeProvost, and Phil Woodworth > > [Mailed From: "C.K. Shum" ] Hello, I am writing in regards to the above letter asking for expressions of interest in ocean tide models. Our research group is interested in high precision geodetic applications of the Global Positioning System. One of the currently unmodelled effects in our GPS data processing software (DIPOP) is the ocean loading effect. Hence, we are very interested in the portion of your letter regarding the 3-D ocean loading models. Access to the models you have would be valuable for further refining our data processing model. Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards, Anthony van der Wal (on behalf of the Space Geodesy group of the Geodetic Research Lab.) ====================================================================== Anthony van der Wal Geodetic Research Laboratory Dept. of Geodesy and Geomatics Engineering Phone(w):(506) 453-5088 University of New Brunswick FAX(w): (506) 453-4943 Fredericton, N.B., Canada E3B 5A3 E-mail: b7n6@unb.ca ====================================================================== From: SMTP%"robliu@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov" 24-AUG-1995 16:34:29.80 To: SHUM CC: Subj: from Vincent Paul Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:34:33 -0700 From: Robert Liu To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: from Vincent Paul >From vincentp@ucsu.colorado.edu Thu Aug 24 14:27 PDT 1995 Received: from ucsu.colorado.edu by igscb.jpl.nasa.gov with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA057589669; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 14:27:49 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from vincentp@localhost) by ucsu.colorado.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12/CNS-3.6) id PAA13812; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:27:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 15:27:44 -0600 (MDT) >From: VINCENT PAUL To: DOSE Mail Administrator Subject: Re: No 5: RE: Global ocean tide models In-Reply-To: <199508241905.NAA03173@ucsu.colorado.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: R Yes, would be useful From: SMTP%"Neil.White@ml.csiro.au" 24-AUG-1995 17:53:09.38 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:53:08 +1000 From: Neil White Message-Id: <199508242253.AA06371@aqueous> To: shum@csr.utexas.edu C.K. I think it would be a very good idea to distribute the tides CD-ROM which you have proposed. Neil White CSIRO Division of Oceanography Australia white@ml.csiro.au From: SMTP%"robliu@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov" 24-AUG-1995 18:11:28.78 To: SHUM CC: Subj: from John Rundle Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:11:41 -0700 From: Robert Liu To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: from John Rundle >From rundle@hopfield.colorado.edu Thu Aug 24 16:04 PDT 1995 Received: from hopfield.colorado.edu by igscb.jpl.nasa.gov with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA061675480; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:04:40 -0700 Return-Path: Received: (from rundle@localhost) by hopfield.colorado.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id RAA09454 for owner-dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov; Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:04:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 17:04:35 -0600 >From: John Rundle Message-Id: <199508242304.RAA09454@hopfield.colorado.edu> To: owner-dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Re: No 5: RE: Global ocean tide models Status: R yes, I would be interested. From: SMTP%"vz@pacific.jpl.nasa.gov" 24-AUG-1995 20:16:03.90 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models X-Sender: vz@128.149.33.200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 18:19:27 -0700 To: "C.K. Shum" From: vz@pacific.jpl.nasa.gov (Victor Zlotnicki) Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models You have my vote for the tides. I think it will have a very large audience. Victor -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Victor Zlotnicki. vz@pacific.jpl.nasa.gov Fax:818-393-6720 Voice:354-5519 From: SMTP%"tpenrosej@vax7.curtin.EDU.AU" 25-AUG-1995 00:26:18.22 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:25:39 +0800 Message-Id: <199508250525.AA22256@info.curtin.edu.au> X-Sender: tpenrosej@alpha1.curtin.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "C.K. Shum" From: tpenrosej@vax7.curtin.EDU.AU (John Penrose) Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models >Colleague: > >This email is intended to be a survey for the purpose of polling >the scientific community (in oceanography and geophysics) of your >interest of a proposed Cd-Rom distribution of recent global >ocean tide models. One of the recent significant contributions of >TOPEX/Poseidon is the advancement of global deep-ocean tide models. > >The TOPEX/Poseidon Tides Committee (Chair, Phil Woodworth) has conducted >studies comparing some of the recently available ocean tide models, and >a number of these models can be considered to the current state-of-the-art. >These models include pure hydrodynamical models, assimilated hydrodynamical >models, and empirical models. There are significant interdisciplinary >contributions of accurate ocean tide model to studies in areas >of oceanography, geodesy, geodynamics, astronomy, and research >related to global climate change. While TOPEX/Poseidon successfully >mapped the deep-ocean tides, interpretation of the tides and their >geophysical consequences has yet to be done. Furthermore, the >tides near coastal regions and on continental shelfs remain problematic. >We feel that there should be interest in the scientific community to >use these models to aid scientific interpretations or for their improvement. > >The purpose of this broadcast email is to ask you for your >opinion whether a collection of the recent ocean tide models >(approximately ten) and other associated data such as 3-D ocean loading >models may be useful to you. These models, in some cases, were >developed using different methodologies and have respective advantages >for different applications. Please send us (shum@csr.utexas.edu) a note >if you would like to see the distribution of these tide models happen. > >Regards, >C.K. Shum, Christian LeProvost, and Phil Woodworth Thanks for your advice regarding tide models on CD ROM. Our group would be interested to >gain access to such a model collection. Regards, John Penrose From: SMTP%"rfs%mssls3.mssl.ucl.ac.uk@ucl.ac.uk" 25-AUG-1995 03:28:16.73 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 09:27:32 BST From: rfs%mssls3.mssl.ucl.ac.uk@ucl.ac.uk (Rob Scott) Message-Id: <9508250827.AA09962@mssls3.mssl.ucl.ac.uk> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models Cc: jadm%mssls3.mssl.ucl.ac.uk@ucl.ac.uk Hi C.K., I think that this is an excellent idea. As 'consumers' of tide models, we usually make separate arrangements to obtain our models. Since we are involved in building altimeter processing chains for others, we select models consistent with their requirements. However we are not tide specialists, and do not have time to do extensive comparisons etc. Hence to have all of these models in one package, along with application notes, error budget, bibliography, and system implementation notes for a variety of platforms, would not only make life easier, but would contribute strongly to the quality and applicability of our data processing. Good idea. Rob Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dr Rob Scott Head of Computing Direct +44 1483 204182 Climate Physics Group Operator +44 1483 274111 Mullard Space Science Laboratory Fax +44 1483 278312 University College London Holmbury St. Mary Dorking Surrey, RH5 6NT United Kingdom rfs@mssls3.mssl.ucl.ac.uk From: SMTP%"rummel@step.iapg.verm.tu-muenchen.de" 25-AUG-1995 05:17:08.11 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models From: Reiner Rummel Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu (C.K. Shum) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 12:07:44 METDST In-Reply-To: <950824124342.20200a43@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu>; from "C.K. Shum" at Aug 24, 95 12:43 (noon) Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] In my opinion it would be highly welcome to prepare such a selection of recent ocean tide models for distribution. Reiner Rummel From: SMTP%"djw@unixb.nerc-southampton.ac.uk" 25-AUG-1995 05:41:15.62 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Via: uk.ac.nerc-wormley.unixa; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:40:04 +0100 Message-Id: <5324.9508251035@ub.nso.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:37:11 +0000 To: SHUM <@unixa.nerc-wormley.ac.uk:SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu> From: djw@unixb.nerc-southampton.ac.uk (Dr. David Webb) Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models I would like copies of the ocean tide models you refer to. Regards, David Webb. ================================================================== Dr. David J. Webb, tel: +44-1703-766184 Institute of Oceanographic Sciences, fax: +44-1703-767507 James Rennell Division, e-mail: David.Webb@soc.soton.ac.uk Gamma House, Enterprise Road, Chilworth, Southampton SO16 7NS, United Kingdom I am moving very soon The Division is moving on the 3rd September to its new location in the Southampton Oceanography Centre. After that date IOS will cease to exist. 1. e-mail: The above new e-mail address will work before and after the move. 2. Mail: This should be sent to Room 256/05 James Rennell Division, Southampton Oceanography Centre, Empress Dock, SOUTHAMPTON SO14 3ZH United Kingdom. 3. Telephone: After the 7th September UK+1703-596199 If no reply try: 596434 or 596200 4. Fax: The new fax number is not known. ================================================================== From: SMTP%"gaspar@atlas.cnes.fr" 25-AUG-1995 06:53:06.95 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Re: Global ocean tide models Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:52:41 GMT Message-Id: <95082511524093@atlas> From: gaspar@atlas.cnes.fr (Philippe Gaspar, CLS Space Oceanography Group, Toulouse) To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Global ocean tide models X-VMS-To: SMTP%"SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu" Hi C.K., Of course, we would be interested if the different types of tide model you mention were made easily available. Keep us posted. Thanks. Philippe From: SMTP%"nmd@cfageod4.harvard.edu" 25-AUG-1995 10:04:20.53 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Message-Id: <9508251503.AA24573@csr.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 11:02:33 -0400 From: Nick Dechman Apparently-To: shum@csr.utexas.edu We would be very interested in seeing tide models on CD-ROM, as we are cuurently looking at ocean loading models for use in Earth tides studies. Thanks, Nick Dechman Radio & Geoastronomy Group Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics ndechman@cfa.harvard.edu From: SMTP%"robliu@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov" 25-AUG-1995 15:23:31.46 To: SHUM CC: Subj: more from Brad Hager Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:13:57 -0700 From: Robert Liu To: shum@csrv86.ae.utexas.edu Subject: more from Brad Hager >Thanks again for your help, and the hassle that you have to deal with, >forwarding someone else's email. > >Best regards, >C.K. Shum It's my pleasure. rob >From brad@meinesz.mit.edu Fri Aug 25 06:27 PDT 1995 Received: from meinesz.mit.edu by igscb.jpl.nasa.gov with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA162797235; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 06:27:15 -0700 Return-Path: Received: by meinesz.mit.edu id AA05447g; Fri, 25 Aug 95 09:28:16 EDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 09:28:16 EDT >From: Brad Hager To: owner-dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Re: No 5: RE: Global ocean tide models Status: RO Yes, I think that the distribution of tide models is a good idea. Brad Hager From: SMTP%"robliu@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov" 25-AUG-1995 16:07:55.38 To: SHUM CC: Subj: more from Jeff Ridgway Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:08:09 -0700 From: Robert Liu To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: more from Jeff Ridgway >From ridgway@spot.UCSD.EDU Fri Aug 25 13:27 PDT 1995 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.edu) by igscb.jpl.nasa.gov with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA181062423; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:27:03 -0700 Return-Path: Received: from spot.UCSD.EDU by mail.ucsd.edu; id NAA24802 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:26:52 -0700 for Received: by spot.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDGENERIC.4) id AA00558 to owner-dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov; Fri, 25 Aug 95 13:22:06 PDT Date: Fri, 25 Aug 95 13:22:06 PDT >From: ridgway@spot.UCSD.EDU (Jeff R. Ridgway) Message-Id: <9508252022.AA00558@spot.UCSD.EDU> To: owner-dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov Subject: Re: No 5: RE: Global ocean tide models Status: R The work sounds fascinating and useful, but I would not use the tide models in what I'm doing now (I don't presently have a need for tide models). Thanks for the offer, Jeff Ridgway From: SMTP%"RSG@LOGOS.JPL.NASA.GOV" 25-AUG-1995 17:42:02.83 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Topex tide model CD Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 15:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard S. Gross" To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Cc: RSG@LOGOS.JPL.NASA.GOV Message-Id: <950825154252.20203581@LOGOS.JPL.NASA.GOV> Subject: Topex tide model CD Hello C K - I vote to have the Topex tide models distributed on a CD. Didn't AVISO also have plans to do this? Best regards, Richard From: SMTP%"Arthur.Smith@lr.tudelft.nl" 28-AUG-1995 03:13:32.09 To: SHUM CC: Subj: cd-rom global ocean tides From: Arthur Smith Message-Id: <199508280813.AA16083@dutlru1.lr.tudelft.nl> Subject: cd-rom global ocean tides To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:13:29 +0200 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 630 Dear Dr. Shum, As a member of the Delft University Altimetry Group I may say that we would greatly welcome the release of a cd-rom with several global ocean tide models. As the oceanic tide is one of the most important corrections to the altimetric data, we feel that processing of altimetry data from various satellites may greatly benefit from such a cd-rom. Best regards, --- Arthur J. E. Smith Section Space Research and Technology Faculty of Aerospace Engineering Delft University of Technology Kluyverweg 1, 2629 HS Delft The Netherlands E-mail: Arthur.Smith@lr.tudelft.nl Phone: +31 15 78 2595 Fax : +31 15 78 3444 From: SMTP%"stewart@astra.tamu.edu" 28-AUG-1995 07:56:47.30 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Re: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:58:41 +0000 To: "C.K. Shum" From: stewart@astra.tamu.edu (Bob Stewart) Subject: Re: C.K., You could do a broader announcement if you coordinate it with the department that teaches the intro course on physical oceanography at UT. I don't want to appear to be taking students from their class. Regards, Bob Stewart --------------------------- ============ --------------------------------- Robert Stewart, Professor || Office: Room 624 O&M Building Department of Oceanography || Telephone: 409 845 2995 Texas A&M University /\ || |\/| Fax: 409 847 8879 College Station, Texas | | || | | Internet: stewart@astra.tamu.edu 77843-3146 USA |--| || | | --------------------------- | | || | | --------------------------------- From: SMTP%"gidon@rosie.ldgo.columbia.edu" 28-AUG-1995 08:20:55.79 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 09:21:10 -0400 From: gidon@rosie.ldgo.columbia.edu (Gidon) Message-Id: <9508281321.AA23034@rosie.ldgo.columbia.edu> To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Cc: mcane@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu Dear Drs. Shum, LeProvost, and Woodworth, This message is in response to your recent email regarding tide models. My working experience with these models is rather limited since it's a side avenue in my research. However, I would like to point out one shortcoming of the current situation, which I believe you are well aware of. It is the coverage of marginal seas. My domain of interest is the Red Sea. After a few futile attempts, and with the very generous support of Dr. Eanes of UT, I gave up on tide correction to the TOPEX data, and resorted to statistical methods, which will inevitably be of lesser quality. Thanks a lot, Gidon Eshel. From: SMTP%"epavlis@ltpmail.gsfc.nasa.gov" 28-AUG-1995 11:06:44.55 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Yes to the CD-ROM Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 11:59:47 EDT From: "Dr. Erricos C. Pavlis" Subject: Yes to the CD-ROM To: "Dr. C.K. Shum" X-Mailer: VersaTerm Link v1.1 I am all for it C.K.! ecp ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. Erricos C. Pavlis Phone: (301) 286-4880 NASA / Goddard Space Flight Center Telex: 248496 or 197640 Space Geodesy Branch, Code 926 FAX: (301) 286-1760 Greenbelt, Maryland U S A 20771-0001 SPAN: CDDIS::PAVLIS E-Mail (Internet): !!! NEW !!! epavlis@ltpmail.gsfc.nasa.gov ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: SMTP%"plw@unixa.nerc-bidston.ac.uk" 29-AUG-1995 04:18:59.47 To: SHUM CC: Subj: mail From: plw@unixa.nerc-bidston.ac.uk (Philip Woodworth) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 95 10:18:41 +0100 Message-Id: <22535.9508290918@subnode.uk.ac.nerc-bidston.unixa> To: clp@img.fr, shum@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu, gidon@rosie.ldgo.columbia.edu Subject: mail Dr.Gidon - thanks for the mail to C.K.Shum. There are actually several new Med models you could look at. The Canceil model, which is embedded in the Grenoble models, and a finite difference one by Tsimplis et al. Try a mosaic connection to http://biudc.nbi.ac.uk/altim/med.model.html If you need more information, mail Roger Flather raf@pol.ac.uk Best wishes. Phil.Woodworth Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory, Bidston Observatory, Birkenhead, Merseyside L43 7RA, U.K. Tel: +44 - 151 - 653 8633 Fax: 653 6269 URL: http://www.nbi.ac.uk Internet mail: plw@pol.ac.uk =================================================================== From: SMTP%"Jerome.Benveniste@mail.esrin.esa.it" 29-AUG-1995 10:36:19.46 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 15:41:08 +0000 From: Jerome.Benveniste@mail.esrin.esa.it (Jerome Benveniste) Message-Id: <9508291541.AA25868@marina.esa.it> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 2823 --- In reply to: ----------------------------------------------------------- > From SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Thu Aug 24 18:21 GMT 1995 > Return-Path: > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 12:43:42 -0500 (CDT) > From: "C.K. Shum" > To: dose@igscb.jpl.nasa.gov, topex.poseidon@pacific.jpl.nasa.gov, > shum@csr.utexas.edu, dblake@mtpe.hq.nasa.gov > Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 1797 > X-Lines: 32 > > Colleague: > > This email is intended to be a survey for the purpose of polling > the scientific community (in oceanography and geophysics) of your > interest of a proposed Cd-Rom distribution of recent global > ocean tide models. One of the recent significant contributions of > TOPEX/Poseidon is the advancement of global deep-ocean tide models. > > The TOPEX/Poseidon Tides Committee (Chair, Phil Woodworth) has conducted > studies comparing some of the recently available ocean tide models, and > a number of these models can be considered to the current state-of-the-art. > These models include pure hydrodynamical models, assimilated hydrodynamical > models, and empirical models. There are significant interdisciplinary > contributions of accurate ocean tide model to studies in areas > of oceanography, geodesy, geodynamics, astronomy, and research > related to global climate change. While TOPEX/Poseidon successfully > mapped the deep-ocean tides, interpretation of the tides and their > geophysical consequences has yet to be done. Furthermore, the > tides near coastal regions and on continental shelfs remain problematic. > We feel that there should be interest in the scientific community to > use these models to aid scientific interpretations or for their improvement. > > The purpose of this broadcast email is to ask you for your > opinion whether a collection of the recent ocean tide models > (approximately ten) and other associated data such as 3-D ocean loading > models may be useful to you. These models, in some cases, were > developed using different methodologies and have respective advantages > for different applications. Please send us (shum@csr.utexas.edu) a note > if you would like to see the distribution of these tide models happen. > > Regards, > C.K. Shum, Christian LeProvost, and Phil Woodworth > I would be interested in this collection of models. Jerome Benveniste European Space Agency ESRIN E-mail: Jerome.Benveniste@mail.esrin.esa.it Earth Observation Division Tel : (+39 6) 941 80 512 Via Galileo Galilei Fax 1 : (+39 6) 941 80 321 (few urgent pages) I-00044 FRASCATI (RM), ITALY Fax 2 : (+39 6) 941 80 361 (long faxes) (alternate e-mail: benv@gulf.mit.edu) From: SMTP%"dbyrne@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu" 30-AUG-1995 15:03:41.12 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models From: dbyrne@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (deirdre byrne) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 16:03:40 EDT Message-Id: <9508302003.AA05905@phantom.ldgo.columbia.edu> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models I think a tide model CD-ROM would be very useful. Deirdre Byrne From: SMTP%"vincent@pontos.cnes.fr" 31-AUG-1995 04:21:06.36 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Tide CDROM Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 11:16:33 +0100 From: vincent@pontos.cnes.fr (Patrick Vincent CNES) Message-Id: <9508311016.AA22005@pontos.cnes.fr> To: shum@csrv86.ae.utexas.edu Subject: Tide CDROM Cc: blanc@atlas.cnes.fr, clp@img.fr, plw@unixa.nerc-bidston.ac.uk, vincent@eliot.cnes.fr Dear CK This message is to answer the tide CDROM question. I would be quite interested o know the result of your survey. As you know, AVISO began to work on that topic some months ago. We had prepared a CD with first versions of the models and did not distribute it because at that time new issues of the models have been computed. A small number of you had the chance to have a look at the handbooks that were produced (I think Christian had one). Well this is only to ask how the CD business you are suggesting can be managed and what can be the AVISO contribution. Regards, Patrick. From: SMTP%"llf@pacific.JPL.NASA.GOV" 31-AUG-1995 12:12:47.32 To: SHUM CC: Subj: RE: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 10:12:40 -0700 From: Lee Fu Message-Id: <199508311712.KAA03127@pacific.JPL.NASA.GOV> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: RE: Global ocean tide models C-K., I like the idea of a Tide Model CDROM. It is an excellent way to disseminate the tide results from T/P and make it a concrete and visible contribution from the mission. Lee From: SMTP%"Peter.Craig@ml.csiro.au" 31-AUG-1995 20:26:43.00 To: SHUM CC: Subj: global tide models From: Peter Craig Date: Fri, 1 Sep 95 11:26:07 EST Message-Id: <9509010126.AA24980@gyre> To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: global tide models Dr Shum, John Church passed on to me your message regarding a cd-rom of deep ocean tidal models. We would be very interested in such a compilation. Do you require anything more than a simple statement of enthusiasm at this stage? Peter Craig ****************************************************************** Dr Peter Craig ph 002-325294 CSIRO Division of Oceanography (intl. +61-02-325294) GPO Box 1538 fax 002-325123 HOBART Tas 7001 (intl. +61-02-325123) Australia email Peter.Craig@ml.csiro.au From: SMTP%"simawaki@riam.kyushu-u.ac.jp" 1-SEP-1995 02:39:56.73 To: SHUM CC: Subj: tide model CD-ROM Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:37:15 +0900 From: Shiro IMAWAKI Message-Id: <199509010737.QAA03017@riam.kyushu-u.ac.jp> To: shum@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu Subject: tide model CD-ROM Dear Dr. C.K. Shum, This is a response to your e-mail (Aug 24) about Global ocean tide models, in behalf of the Japanese TOPEX/POSEIDON physical oceanography group. I think it will be nice to have a CD-ROM which includes most recent tide models, which can be used easily to test several tide models for tide correction of altimetry data. Regards, Prof. Shiro IMAWAKI Research Institute for Applied Mechanics Kyushu University Kasuga, Fukuoka 816, Japan Internet: simawaki@riam.kyushu-u.ac.jp Phone: +81-92-573-9611 x537 Fax: +81-92-584-2570 From: SMTP%"pepe@sunas1.mat.ucm.es" 1-SEP-1995 08:29:19.31 To: SHUM CC: Subj: tide models Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 15:00:23 +0200 From: pepe@sunas1.mat.ucm.es (Jose Fernandez) Subject: tide models To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Message-Id: <9509011300.AA03553@sunas1.mat.ucm.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Dr. Shum, I am very interested in receiving all the possible information about the distribution of the tide models and other associated data (as 3D ocean loading models). Best regards, Jose Fernandez Instituto de Astronomia y Geodesia Fac. CC. Matematicas Ciudad Universitaria 28040-Madrid (Spain) TEL: 34-1-394 4478 FAX: 34-1-394 4607 e-mail: pepe@sunas1.mat.ucm.es From: SMTP%"reg@pacific.JPL.NASA.GOV" 7-SEP-1995 15:37:46.27 To: SHUM CC: Subj: Re: Global ocean tide models Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 13:37:44 -0700 From: Roman Glazman Message-Id: <199509072037.NAA05081@pacific.JPL.NASA.GOV> To: shum@csr.utexas.edu Subject: Re: Global ocean tide models I am interested in a CD with global ocean tide models. Roman Glazman, JPL. From: SMTP%"Jean.Dickey.JPL#u#335#u#QMAIL@jpl-335-server.jpl.nasa.gov" 25-SEP-1995 18:42:58.13 To: SHUM CC: Subj: REPLY TO SURVEY Message-ID: Date: 25 Sep 1995 10:21:39 -0800 From: "Jean Dickey" Subject: REPLY TO SURVEY To: "C.K. SHUM" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Subject: Time:10:08 AM OFFICE MEMO REPLY TO SURVEY Date:9/25/95 YES, THE PROPOSED CD ROM WOULD BE USEFUL. THANKS, JEAN From: burgmann@ymir.ucdavis.edu (Roland Burgmann) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:50:06 PDT To: SHUM@utcsr.ae.utexas.edu, burgmann@geology.ucdavis.edu Subject: Topex Poseidon tide information Dear Dr. Shum, I was wondering if you could lead me to a currently available source on tide information in the Sumatra region based on Topex/Poseidon data. Your messages with regards to a CD-ROM prompted me to send you this question. I am particularly interested in the magnitude of variations of tide levels along the coast of Sumatra and near the Island chains SW of Sumatra. I would greatly appreciate any lead you may have that may guide me to that information. Sincerely, Roland _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ Roland Burgmann tel. 916 752 6808 _/ _/ Department of Geology FAX 916 752 0951 _/ _/ University of California burgmann@geology.ucdavis.edu _/ _/ Davis, CA 95616 _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/